Transcript
of chat session November 15, 2001 with Dr. Peter Phillips
Moderator
(Nov 15, 2001 7:00:44 PM)
Mr. Minister the level of crime and criminal activities as
it now stands is totally unacceptable. What machinery does
the government have or will now implement to combat this?
Min.
Peter Philips (Nov 15, 2001 7:07:54 PM)
I agree that level of crime must be reduced we shall have
to undertake an effective program of modernization for our
security forces and we shall have to mount community programmes
to provide opportunities for people who get drawn into criminal
activities and change their attitudes and values.
Moderator
(Nov 15, 2001 7:07:27 PM)
Dr. Phillips, congrats on your new posting, cab you tell us
what you plan to do about our ports.
Min.
Peter Philips (ID=6664) (Nov 15, 2001 7:09:23 PM)
We are going to implement more stringent controls of access
to the ports and we are going to have to use new technology
to inspect all the goods passing through the ports.
Questions
Via Email (Nov 15, 2001 7:08:11 PM)
I would like to know what exactly the Jamaican Government
or Justice authorities are doing to stop criminal deportees
from returning to Jamaica. I find it absolutely appalling
that an individual can migrate as a child, become a criminal
under a foreign regime and be returned to a country by virtue
of birth. To migrate to a foreign country mainly the USA,
UK, and Canada, an individual must be free of a criminal record
and possess other qualities that would deemed them desirable
citizens, don't you think the requirements to accept them
back in Jamaica should be similar if not the same?
Minister
Peter Phillips (Nov 15, 2001 7:08:25 PM)
Your questions about deportees are valid and timely. These
issues have been raised with the deporting countries. Obviously,
circumstances differ widely from case to case. Nevertheless
many of these people who are returned by the overseas authorities
indeed have tenuous connection (if any at all) to Jamaica.
Despite this, Jamaica has an obligation under international
law to accept people who are citizens of the country. We will,
however, continue our diplomatic efforts to ensure greater
equity in relation to this issue.
Moderator)
(Nov 15, 2001 7:10:23 PM)
What about the general indiscipline in the police force. We
as Jamaicans also contribute to it. For example I have paid
more money to the police for traffic violations than I have
paid the Govt.
Minister Peter Philips (Nov 15, 2001
7:20:29 PM)
You are totally correct that each one of us have to stand
up against such indiscipline. If any policeman approaches
you should take step to report them to the police public complaint
authority or to the office of professional responsibility.
Equally I agree with your proposition that we need to make
a compressive assualt on indiscipline in all aspect of our
national life.
Question
Via Email (Nov 15, 2001 7:10:56 PM)
My name is Dr George Shippey and my wife and I am from England
and my parents are Jamaican. I would like to find out how
you will make a difference to the level of crime and the perceptions
of Jamaica? My wife visited Jamaica and was scared because
of the level of crime in Jamaica.I would like to live and
work in Jamaica but I am also concerned at the level of returnees
which are targeted by criminals in Jamaica
Minister Peter Phillips (Nov 15, 2001
7:11:06 PM)
We are undertaking an extensive modernization programme of
the Jamaica Constabulary Force. The effectiveness and quality
of the Security Forces will determine ultimately the nature
of the perception people have of crime in Jamaica. I would
encourage you to come home. Most communities are quite safe.
Question
(Nov 15, 2001 7:12:41 PM)
what are you going to do about the corrupt police force
Min.
Peter Philips (Nov 15, 2001 7:12:41 PM)
I still believe that there is a majority of hard working and
committed policemen and women in the JCF. At the same time
we need to strengthen the powers of the Police Service Commission
and the other disciplinary authorities so that they can investigate
an act independently to weed out corrupt personnel.
Moderator
(Nov 15, 2001 7:13:49 PM)
Why is it that when you are making political speaches, you
show that HATE and ENVY for Mr Seaga.
Minister Peter Phillips (Nov 15, 2001
7:14:02 PM)
ANSWER I do not know which political speech you are speaking
about and how it evinced hate or envy of anyone. Certainly
I do not hate or envy Mr. Seaga, but I have tried to be true
to the historical record of various political personalities.
Thankfully, we live in a democracy where different views can
be expressed freely.
Moderator (Nov 15, 2001 7:15:04
PM)
Dr. Phillips, what can be done to stop the shipping of guns
in the island.
Min.
Peter Philips (Nov 15, 2001 7:15:05 PM)
This is a major priority. We are going to have to more effective
patrols of our coastline and we are going to have to put tighter
controls around our ports. Equally we have to do more effective
intelligence work to identify and apprehend to culprits. We
recently saw some evidence of this in the capture of 40,000
rounds of ammunitions.
Moderator
(Nov 15, 2001 7:17:48 PM)
Good Evening Dr Phillips .......There is a move to bring Jamaicans
abroad into the greater Jamaica concept....Do you think after
the banking debacle
do you think we can be off help
Min.
Peter Philips (Nov 15, 2001 7:17:49 PM)
Absolutely yes. The overseas Jamaicans represents a tremendous
resouce of skill, experience, and finances which in my view
will be indispensible to Jamaica future progress.
Questions
Via Email (Nov 15, 2001 7:19:13 PM)
My name is ZENO as a citizen in the United States of America
will they draft me? And if so is it legal? I am from Jamaica.
Minister
Peter Phillips (Nov 15, 2001 7:19:20 PM)
ANSWER That is a matter of U.S. law, and I cannot say.
Moderator
(Nov 15, 2001 7:20:28 PM)
What about the general indiscipline in the police force. We
as Jamaicans also contribute to it. For example I have paid
more money to the police for traffic violations than I have
paid the Govt.
Min.
Peter Philips (Nov 15, 2001 7:20:29 PM)
You are totally correct that each one of us have to stand
up against such indiscipline. If any policeman approaches
you you should take step to report them to the police public
complaint authority or to the office of professional responsibilty.
Equally I agree with your proposition that we need to make
a compressive assualt on indiscipline in all aspect of our
national life.
Questions
Via Email (ID=6670) (Nov 15, 2001 7:21:05 PM)
If the government is serious about fighting crime, why not
appoint a special prosecutor to investigate white-collar crime.
Also are members of parliament above the law? If not then
why is it no one to investigate those who are suspected in
collaborating with the criminal elements that is destroying
our great island nation? Is there a law that allows the court
to confiscate assets acquired with money coming from drug,
firearms and any other illegal means. If not, why not. Is
the JDF incapable of protecting our shores? It appears all
it takes is for anyone nation to walk in at anytime they want
and impose a new gov their style. What has and is the government
doing to protect the people of Jamaica. Please respond to
these questions as I am here in New York and the picture we
see here is that Jamaica is an island totally out of control.
Minister Peter Phillips (Nov 15,
2001 7:21:20 PM)
ANSWER No one in Jamaica is above the law. Members of Parliament
and members of the private sector suspected of collaborating
with criminal elements are subject to investigation and prosecution.
Jamaica has anti-money laundering legislation in place, and
like many other jurisdictions, has recently been paying especially
careful attention to the application of these laws. The Jamaica
Defense Force is not incapable of protecting our shores. However,
they need equipment, and we are working to acquire the necessary
tools to allow them to do the job effectively.
Moderator
(Nov 15, 2001 7:23:04 PM)
It is so shocking to see the amount of weapons and ammunition
that is entering the country, why are all these weapons bypassing
the custom officers ?
Min.
Peter Philips (Nov 15, 2001 7:23:04 PM)
Some of the weapons at least have come directly on shore by
way of the narco-trafficers who go between South America and
Jamaica. Others come through our ports. For the most part,
however, the trade in illegal guns is directly linked to illegal
drug trade. We are going to have to deal with both centres
of the organized crime.
Moderator
(Nov 15, 2001 7:25:54 PM)
Minister, I would like to know, why is it that the Government
is not yet, acquiring high powered weapons and armoured vehicles,
to counteract the criminals and their activities?
Min.
Peter Philips (Nov 15, 2001 7:25:54 PM)
The security forces are in fact in position of high power
weapons and armoured vehicles. But force alone will be able
to defeat the threat which we face. We will also need to develop
a clear national concensus and an understanding on the part
of each and every citizen that we must isolate the criminals
from among our midst in all our communities.
Moderator
(Nov 15, 2001 7:26:57 PM)
I called for a conference with the DONS and Area Leaders,
the Minister of National Security and the Police High command.
We need to find a way to use some of these guys and the influence
the have over the respective areas to control crime. We did
this with computer Hackers, and some of them are basically
writing the handbooks on how to secure your data. Will you
look into this...Article was publish in the Gleaner on Nov
11 2001.
Min.
Peter Philips (Nov 15, 2001 7:26:57 PM)
I will certainly look into the article.
Questions
Via Email (Nov 15, 2001 7:27:23 PM)
What are you doing about those guns that criminal gunmen use
to attack members of the security forces recently. Are you
going to tolerate member of the security forces been pin down
for hours an not do something about it. They never fire so
many rounds at my beloved B S O OFFICERS and get away with
it. Its time to take back the streets from these terrorist
gunmen.
Minister
Peter Phillips (Nov 15, 2001 7:27:35 PM)
ANSWER If you are speaking about the recent incidents in the
Western part of the city, there is an Enquiry that is currently
underway that is listening to evidence about the confrontation
between the Security Forces and gunmen. Of course, that such
incidents should ever happen in our country is deplorable
and the police must be adequately trained and equipped to
protect citizens from the onslaught of the terrorists.
Moderator
(Nov 15, 2001 7:31:34 PM)
What about the impact of political warfare on the 1000 plus
people murder since the start of the year.
Min.
Peter Philips (Nov 15, 2001 7:31:35 PM)
No doubt some of the criminals involved in the guns violence
we have experienced have different and divergent political
affiliations. And political motive may have been at the root
of some confrontations but the accumulations of weaponry that
we are seeing in the country in criminals hands is due largely
to the trade in illegal narcotics. Some of the criminal groups
in Jamaica and as they have elsewhere will try to manipulate
the political institutions including the parties for their
own benefits. It is absolutely important that political parties
explicitly reject any association with these criminal elements.
Questions
Via Email (Nov 15, 2001 7:31:15 PM)
What are your plans to stop persons from importing guns and
ammunitions into Jamaica? If we are really serious about stopping
these people prison terms should be drastically increased
for persons found guilty of being in possession of an illegal
firearm.
Minister
Peter Phillips (Nov 15, 2001 7:31:33 PM)
ANSWER There are very stiff penalties in place for persons
found with an illegal firearm. In terms of the illegal importation
of guns and ammunition into Jamaica, we intend to revisit
the security arrangements at the ports with a view to dramatically
increasing their safety.
Moderator
(Nov 15, 2001 7:32:36 PM)
Why don't we have the guts to catch indiscipline demonstrators
on tape and charge them in the court of law?
Min.
Peter Philips (Nov 15, 2001 7:32:36 PM)
You have proposed a useful suggestion. The police do in fact
tape some demonstrations. We shall have to look into your
suggestion further.
Questions
Via Email (Nov 15, 2001 7:34:09 PM)
What is the future of our country? Why the people and the
government of our country allowing the country to be over
run by gun men? As a Jamaican and a true patriot, I am ashamed
of what the country as become. When will I return to my country
and feel safe to walk the street? When will the country that
I love be home? Because home is where I should be safe.
Minister
Peter Phillips) (Nov 15, 2001 7:34:17 PM)
ANSWER The future of our country is in our hands. We have
to decide as a people what values and attitudes we wish to
support and uphold.
Questions
Via Email (Nov 15, 2001 7:34:09 PM)
What is the future of our country? Why the people and the
government of our country allowing the country to be over
run by gun men? As a Jamaican and a true patriot, I am ashamed
of what the country as become. When will I return to my country
and feel safe to walk the street? When will the country that
I love be home? Because home is where I should be safe.
Minister
Peter Phillips (Nov 15, 2001 7:34:17 PM)
ANSWER The future of our country is in our hands. We have
to decide as a people what values and attitudes we wish to
support and uphold.
Moderator
(Nov 15, 2001 7:36:03 PM)
We know that crime is a rather serious problem for Jamaica.
Do you see crime as a consequence of social ills, unemployment,
poor education, poor housing, limited opportunities, or do
you see it as the act of a criminal mind? If the former, what
measures will you devise to ameliorate social conditions as
a means of reducing crime?
Minister
Peter Phillips (Nov 15, 2001 7:36:24 PM)
ANSWER Social ills provide circumstances and conditions in
which criminality flourishes more easily, but human beings,
acting intentionally, either choose to commit crimes or choose
not to. The trying social conditions that too many Jamaicans
face is a matter of great concern to the government as a whole,
and there are many projects and programs designed to solve
these problems, the most important of which is a stable macro-economic
environment that can promote economic growth.
Moderator
(Nov 15, 2001 7:36:24 PM)
What about the deportees, just like the us, I think Jamaica
should implement some sort of rehabilitation program for those
who get deported, because when they come to Jamaica they are
the ones who become area leaders and become area dons
Min.
Peter Philips (Nov 15, 2001 7:36:24 PM)
We have many rehabilitations in our prisons and penal institutions.
We would in fact like to expand these despite the limited
resources which we have. Part of the problem we face is that
many of the deportees have had very little association with
Jamaica and yet inspite of this lack of association they have
been sent to Jamaica from richer countries who can manage
to finance the programme of which you speak. This is their
strategy to transfer their crime problem.
Moderator
(Nov 15, 2001 7:37:07 PM)
Min. Phillips there is speculation that the government may
resort to calling "State of Emergency" how true
is that?
Min.
Peter Philips (Nov 15, 2001 7:37:07 PM)
We have no intention to call a State of Emergency.
Moderator
(Nov 15, 2001 7:38:40 PM)
Sr. Phillips, how about using the internet to collect money
from Jamaicans abroad that will go into a specific fund formed
for acquiring speed boats, helicopters and other tools to
combat seafaring gun and drug smugglers?
Min.
Peter Philips (Nov 15, 2001 7:38:40 PM)
We are exploring with our international partners different
ways to equip our security forces to deal with the problems
of which you speak.
Questions
Via Email (Nov 15, 2001 7:40:17 PM)
Having taken up the responsibility for National Security,
what steps will be taken to ensure that the police and the
general public will have a better relationship?
Minister
Peter Phillps (Nov 15, 2001 7:40:33 PM)
ANSWER a) The police and the general public need to have a
relationship based on mutual trust and respect. The public
must be encouraged to support the police in their good work
and to use the proper channels when there is inadequate work
done by them. Overall, public confidence will develop along
with the perceived professionalism of the Force.
Questions
Via Email (Nov 15, 2001 7:41:35 PM)
Seeing what happened in America not so long ago, what steps
will be taken by you to make Jamaica's air and seaports as
safe as possible?
Minister
Peter Phillips (Nov 15, 2001 7:41:50 PM)
Security has been upgraded at Jamaica air and seaports to
guard against any such eventuality as took place in America
on September 11.
Moderator
(Nov 15, 2001 7:42:07 PM)
Dr. Philips, will the death penalty be enforced any time soon?
Min.
Peter Philips (Nov 15, 2001 7:42:07 PM)
The problem has been with the disposition of the privy council
in the UK who have taken an explicitly ideological position
against the death penalty. I like you agree that the laws
of the country should be upheld and that no court should contrive
to defy the legitimate wishes of an electorate
Questions
Via Email (Nov 15, 2001 7:42:59 PM)
What is it that you will do different from K.D. Knight to
help the crime situation in Jamaica.
Minister
Peter Phillips (Nov 15, 2001 7:43:09 PM)
ANSWER Minister Knight made important gains in modernizing
the JCF with new and better equipment and by encouraging police
professionalism and morale. He also made important strides
in law reform, including such things as the Bail Act, establishing
the Night Courts and Drug Courts, the Marriage Property Act,
and other human rights legislation. I will build on that platform
by working for greater modernization and professionalism in
the Force. I have begun my efforts by attempting to encourage
a debate and discussion geared towards establishing a national
consensus about crime and violence. This will lead to a clear
National Defense and Crime Control Plan that is accepted by
all as in the interest of the country.
Moderator
(Nov 15, 2001 7:43:35 PM)
Do you see crime going down in the next few years to come?
Min.
Peter Philips (Nov 15, 2001 7:43:35 PM)
Yes I think that it will be possible to reduce crimes through
a combination of more effective policing and rebuilding of
the positive values and attitudes in the crime prone communities.
Questions
Via Email (Nov 15, 2001 7:47:06 PM)
I know you just inherited the toughest job in Jamaica at the
beginning of this month. With God's grace, I hope you will
be as successful as you have done with Transport and Roads.
I wrote a letter to the Editor of The Gleaner, (Published
November 10, 2001) about you calling a conference with the
inner-cities Dons ala kin the Conference of Computer Hackers
and the Computer and Security Agencies in the USA. Would you
be interested in taking that approach? And could you share
some of your 'Realistic' Ideas about putting a significant
dent in crime, knowing that the General Election is just one
year away.
Minister
Peter Phillips (Nov 15, 2001 7:47:16 PM)
Thank you for your expression of confidence and I thank you
for your prayers. I will give this job my very best effort.
There is indeed a tendency to underestimate the difficulties
of this job. My approach is to invite all citizens of Jamaica
to become a part of the consensus against crime and violence.
Law-abiding community leaders anywhere in Jamaica can play
a role in that regard.
Moderator
(Nov 15, 2001 7:47:29 PM)
Hello Min. Philips. I try to read the internet newspapers
every day. I must say it is frightening to see all that is
happening. Do you think the results of the inquiry into the
violence which took place in July will make any difference
since the JLP lawyers walked out. I was really hoping this
would have helped.
Min. Peter Philips (Nov 15, 2001
7:47:29 PM)
We will have to wait to see the conclusion of the commission
after it has heard all the evidence that has been placed before
it. I think it most unfortunate that anyone or any segment
of our society should refuse to contribute to this every important
process. I still hope that good sense will prevail and this
will not prove to be yet one another source of division in
a country that is already too divided.
Questions
Via Email (Nov 15, 2001 7:48:24 PM)
Do you think it is feasible to eliminate some seats in parliament.
This would create larger constituencies incorporating some
of the garrison communities. Maybe this would eliminate some
of the tribalism perpetuated by politicians.
Minister Peter Phillips (Nov 15, 2001 7:48:49 PM)
That is an interest idea that needs further discussion and
debate. But I see the basic challenge as really re-socializing
people to know that violence is not he answer to disputes,
political or otherwise. Also of critical importance is that
there needs to be firm enforcement of the law regardless of
political considerations.
Questions
Via Email (Nov 15, 2001 7:50:11 PM)
How does DR. Phillips plan to address the crimes caused by
the Narco- Terrorists, Political Terrorists and Criminals
in the Inner city communities, including the Political support
and cover provided to them?
Minister Peter Phillips (Nov 15, 2001 7:50:23 PM)
We must develop the capacity to gather clear intelligence
and the capacity to enforce the law based on that intelligence.
Moderator
(Nov 15, 2001 7:51:33 PM)
Do you approve of political leaders who go to the funerals
of "Dons"
Min. Peter Philips (Nov 15, 2001 7:51:34 PM)
This issue has generated much debate in recent time. I belief
every person sinner and righteous deserve a proper funeral.
At the same time I have become increasing conscious of the
symbolic importance attached the presence of political leadership.
It places an obligation on them to be extra careful has to
how they exercise their influence. My own experience has been
very instructive to me in this regard.
Questions
Via Email (Nov 15, 2001 7:52:18 PM)
Dr. Phillips, what if anything is the most concerning situation
to you as you enter this new portfolio?
Minister
Peter Phillips (Nov 15, 2001 7:52:34 PM)
We have to encourage a culture of peace and respect for non-violence.
It is true that many killings are sparked by minor disputes
which ought never to have escalated to the point of someone
getting hurt
Questions
Via Email (Nov 15, 2001 7:55:38 PM)
My name is Babet and I want to know what is happening in Jamaica
right now because I would like to come visit this Christmas.
Minister Peter Phillips (Nov 15,
2001 7:55:47 PM)
ANSWER You are very welcome to come home at Christmas and
enjoy the company of your family and friends. Despite our
challenges, Jamaica is still a beautiful place with many,
many good people. In terms of security most of the island
is enviably safe, and we are working very hard to make that
true of all of the island. Come and enjoy Jamaica.
Questions
Via Email (Nov 15, 2001 7:57:05 PM)
Will you in your new portfolio launch investigation into your
fellow member of parliament as to their role in the escalating
violence? And if any one is found will you prosecute? What
is your government doing to protect the Jamaican shores? Is
there an aggressive investigation to find corrupt cops and
people in law enforcement who are involved in drug trafficking
and gun dealing? Is your government really serious about solving
crime if so why not declare a state of emergency and allow
the soldiers to do the job that they are paid to do.
Minister
Peter Phillips (Nov 15, 2001 7:57:18 PM)
Nobody is above the law.
Moderator (Nov 15, 2001 7:57:37 PM)
Minister Phillips, what do you make of the recent allegations
by Mr. Derrick Smith regarding the JDF and the Drug find?
Minister Peter Philips (Nov 15, 2001
7:57:37 PM)
I have already made a statement on this matter and I would
like to make just two points: First, there is no evidence
whatsoever inplicating the JDF helicopter crew or any other
member of the JDF in the incident. Second, Mr. Smith and others
ought to be very careful about making unfounded inferences
which might demoralize the servicing men and women of the
JDF who are putting their lives on the line in protection
of our country. Indeed the JDF officers that Mr. Smith is
referring to were participating in a joint operation against
drugist with the police force and had landed to refuel at
the Sangster's International Airport. We need to be united
as a country to stamp out the drug trade and not just hurl
accusations veiled or otherwise at each other.
Questions
Via Email (Nov 15, 2001 7:59:09 PM)
Is there an email address where the public can send suggestions
to the minister?
Minister Peter Phillips (Nov 15,
2001 7:59:26 PM)
Yes there is: minister@mnsj.gov.jm
Questions
Via Email (Nov 15, 2001 8:00:46 PM)
What are you going to do about the crime in the Country? Why
can't you go into all the so call bad area and wipe out all
gunmen? Not just one area only.
Minister Peter Phillips (Nov 15,
2001 8:00:56 PM)
I am making every effort to build a national consensus against
crime and violence. To that end I have convened a number of
meetings with all the stakeholders in the process and with
concerned groups and organizations. There must be a genuine
effort by all to contribute to that consensus. It is the only
basis on which crime can be effectively tackled and defeated.
Additionally, we must continue to develop a modernized, well-equipped,
effective police force, capable of enforcing the law impartially,
without fear or favour. The police cannot simply go into an
area and wipe out all gunmen. As a country of laws that respect
human rights and human dignity, we have to enforce the law
rigorously while we continue to respect people rights.
Moderator
(Nov 15, 2001 8:01:44 PM)
I think there is a serious problem with our youth which will
ultimately have adverse effects on crime eg. primary school
children attacking a police station. There is need for concerted
efforts between your ministry and the education ministry to
deal with this problem
Min. Peter Philips (Nov 15, 2001
8:01:44 PM)
I absolutely agree with you. There is an urgent need to resocialize
many of our children especially strife-torn communities. Many
non-govenment oragnizations such as Pals are already addressing
this task. We need to combined all our efforts to ensure that
we are not creating an ailenated generation which will make
things worse
Moderator
(Nov 15, 2001 8:02:38 PM)
Mr. Minister this is a statement,, but it is quite possible
that the best way to tackle crime is not through head on activities.
The art of war teaches us to fight it from within so that
it withers and dies
Minister Peter Philips (Nov 15, 2001
8:02:38 PM)
An interesting thought and I totally agree.
Moderator
(Nov 15, 2001 8:02:57 PM)
How are the wife and kids? I hope well.
Min. Peter Philips (Nov 15, 2001
8:02:57 PM)
Yes, thank you.
Moderator
(Nov 15, 2001 8:05:19 PM)
Mr. Phillips Now that you have changed ministries what will
happen to the promises you made to the Eastwood Park Gardens
residents re commercialization of our community? Some businesses
are definitely adding to our crime problem in the area. As
we talk more businesses are poised to open their doors in
our zoned as residential community. Please help us!
Min. Peter Philips (Nov 15, 2001 8:05:19 PM)
I made a commitment regarding a resolution in parliament which
could possible could lead to some necessary amendments to
the law I proposed to do this in next week or so. At the same
time the citizen association along with myself could probably
seized the opportunity to take the matter up with the New
Minister of Land and Environment.
Moderator
(Nov 15, 2001 8:06:47 PM)
Lofty goals, Minister, but what measures are put in place
to monitor these myriad tasks are indeed, accomplishing their
goals?
Min. Peter Philips (Nov 15, 2001 8:06:48 PM)
We shall need to ensure that we put an appropriate project
implementation capacity within the ministry to oversea and
monitor or our priority goals. I have already taken steps
to put this in place.
Min.
Peter Philips (Nov 15, 2001 8:08:00 PM)
Thanks to everyone for their questions and it was a pleasure
chatting with you.
I would like to wish you all the best.
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