REDACTED -IC Petrojam Investigation - Donations October 2019 final

Page 74 of 215 Petrojam Limited Integrity Commission October 2019 A: So the HR subcommittee consists of local and Venezuelan Directors or members. There were probably - some of the members of the HR subcommittee are not necessarily Board members but employees of PDVSA, but in this instance one of the Directors, it seemed that he was ahead of the HR subcommittee. [CHAIRMAN] : Could you give us a name? A: Harold Malcolm Chairman: … you saying that he was the head of the subcommittee, what are you trying to … A: …what happened is that – I am saying is that the requests were no longer going to Venezuela. … A: Basically. So Venezuela was no longer seeing most of the donation request because the practice, they diverged a bit and it seemed as most of them were going to him to sign off for HR subcommittee … … Chairman: … you don’t know if the Subcommittee actual met? A: Right. So I don't know if the subcommittee actually met because the last set of - There are some donation requests that were sent in April/May, just about before everything started… … But what happen is that he made a specification in one of the emails that he is approving but it needs to be sent to the HR subcommittee, to the